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SmokinTS
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 Posted - 06/15/2004 : 05:51:12 AM
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For those of you who are long time Nascar fans, I look to you for your wisdom on this subject.
It seems to me that most of the issues that are causing such disdain in Nascar these days, is their decision to freeze the field when the caution light goes on. As a result we must endure:
- Long cautions because Nascar cannot figure out what the line up should be
- The "Lucky Dog", which allows a driver, who in all probability would have never gotten their lap back if they were racing to the caution, to get a lap back.
- Numerous races ending under caution or with other questionable endings.
Now I know they initiated the field freeze because of the incident with DJ and the safety issue and all. But I question myself (and this is where I need your wisdom) about how dangerous racing back to the caution really was? Now I don't want to see any driver getting hurt, but how often did situations like DJ's occur that it initiated a decision that is causing such havoc in the sport? Is it really eliminating any true danger to the drivers or is it just another "single incident" that Nascar used to change a rule that, in my opinion, is ruining the sport.
I was just soooooooo frustrated after watching the race on Sunday. I'm not sure how much longer I can stand to watch races in which 25% or more of the laps are under caution (2 in the last 2 weeks).
Why doesn't Nascar just go back to racing to the caution and be rid of all of these problems? HELP ME UNDERSTAND SO I CAN REMAIN A TRUE AND LOYAL NASCAR FAN!!!!
BEAVERS*BFG*THE SMOKEHOUSE*NASCAR SOUTH
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crazygene
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 08:10:17 AM
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I agree SmokinTS...with all the safety equipment in the car these days it's hard to get really hurt (I know it could happen)...but in all likelihood, it would be a freak accident...Nowadays these drivers are demolishing their cars and walking away
RACE BACK
TO THE
CAUTION
TO  H.LL WITH THE LUCKY DOG
"BFG FOREVER"
 Right Coast Racers Rule
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Slipry Bob
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:10:07 AM
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If there's gonna be a "freak accident",it will happen in racing.Sure,the cars are safer,but not 100% safe.No driver is completely safe from injury or death. NASCAR just needs to improve the human element for this deal.This is not the first time NASCAR has had a rough stretch.Remember the tire wars?If you don't have the patience to wait this one out,maybe you should tend to your rose garden.
No offense intended to anyone.
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Tamdam
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:24:48 AM
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Racing back is not the right thing to do....with the horsepower that the cars have now....it is too dangerous.....granted there is not many serious accidents while racing back....but why take the chance???
As far as the "Lucky dog"....I think that it should only apply if the 1st lapped car or any lapped car (be it a 2 lap down or 72 lap down) if they are within 3 or 5 cars - make a rule - of the leader then they get a lap back......there have been races where a car gets one or more laps down due to something like being on pit road on a short track when the caution comes out and that car is a top contender but ends ups laps down....that car can obviously keep up with the leaders, but it not allowed to advance his position.....if only 1 lap down cars are allowed to advance....what is the incentive??? I don't like it when a car that gets the lucky dog pass and then within a few laps gets passed again...or is on the lead lap and because it doesn't belong there causes an accident.....You all know what I mean don't ya??
Ending races under caution----I believe that this should be avoided at all costs!!! And I believe that Nascar believes that also....they don't want fans throwing things down on to the track....they don't want fans upset....but sometimes it can not be avoided....the 5 lap rule (or something close to it) seems to work out in most cases....
The number of caution laps....this does seem to be a big problem....seems to me that even though there is much more technology in the race...the caution laps have increased.....I don't have a suggestion or opinion on how to fix that.....I want to wait and see how the new system they are trying to have in place works....I do believe that they need to look at red flagging the race if the caution looks like it will take more than a certain number of laps to clean up (say 10).... but maybe that is not the answer either as cars can have problems from stopping and then starting up...or sitting too long.....
I don't have any answers....but these are my ideas.....
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T&L Wheelock Racing
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:40:32 AM
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I don't like the LUCKY DOG deal myself..but I do understand why they went to it..I just think that Nascar has changed to many things to fast.. They have to learn and try to implement to many new things....If they had of went slower and got one change fixed and everybody familar with that change the did another it might have been a smoother transition..
as it is they are haveing to many races THAT JUST SUCK...
So Cal Pitbox Rocks
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Biffle ANG
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 2:55:45 PM
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| The DJ incident you refer to was at NHIS last year Sept 14th. When Jarrett crashed, Bill Elliott, the gentleman that he is, was leading the race and began to slow down as all previous gentlemenly leaders had done for years. But the 24 driven by you all know who, decided he ,or is it she, wasn't going to let anybody get thier lap back .So the 24 passed the 9 and raced the cars trying to get a lap back causing cars to speed to the line and there was Jarrett sitting there in harms way. His crew even told him to stay buckled up and stay in the car because there was some cars heading towards him pretty fast. To sum it up you can place the blame on Mr.Gordon had he done what had been do for years we probably would't be talking about who got the "Lucky Dog". NICE GOING JEFFY!!!!!!! |
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Locnar
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 4:11:53 PM
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A "Gentleman's Agreement" is just that...if some douchebag dosen't want to go with it, fine by me...If they come around the track and KILL someone...SUE the MFer for manslaugther ,his sponsor and team. Put the d$ckhead in jail for 20 years and everyone will abide by the "gentleman's agreement" from there on in...it only takes one A-hole to screw things up. Hell, Rousch wanted to do that with Spencer and that was just a well deserved punch in the mug.
I'm not sure who pissed in my Cheerios, but that's my feeling.
Right Coast Racers
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Kens Racers
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 4:13:59 PM
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| yea ,what bud said |
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roundman_jr
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 4:38:19 PM
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yeah what ken said
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SpeedBump
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 5:00:25 PM
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I think NASCAR made the no racing back to the caution rule, because their hand was forced by the muliticar teams letting their teammates get their laps back when the caution came out. It got to the point where some of the drivers would race back to the caution, but many drivers would let several cars get their lap back, often depending on who was behind them. In theory its a safty issue, but in reality it had also turned into a chess match between the big teams to see who would be able to keep as many of their teammates on the lead lap as possible. They had the one race where someone passed the leader going back to the caution and they put driver that passed back behind the leader for the restart. Afterwards NASCAR admitted they made a mistake. Once that started happening they had to change the rules.
I can't ever remember anyone getting hurt racing back to the caution, and agree if everyone would play by the same rules we wouldn't need nearly as many rules. The old system would still be in place. I liked the old system, but they didn't ask me for my opinion!! If we are going to have no racing back to the caution, then I think the lucky dog rule is a good rule. My 2 cents worth!! |
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SmokinTS
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 5:22:28 PM
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Sounds like you're all in the same boat I am... You don't like the change but you know why they made it. You don't agree with it but you don't want to see drivers getting hurt.
Slpry I think you're right, we just have to be patient. I don't have much of a green thumb anyway, so I'd kill all of the roses if I weren't watching racing. Hopefully Brian France will get his head out of his hole and they'll figure out the right way to do this. It's just so dang frustratin.
Tam, the whole issue of losing a lap because you're on pit road is another problem this stupid rule has caused. I agree with you completely that it only serves (in most cases) to penalize the contenders unfairly.
And Locnar, haven't heard from you much lately. Nice to see you're still eating Cheerios!
DAT TONY, HE BE SMOKIN
BEAVERS*BFG*THE SMOKEHOUSE*NASCAR SOUTH
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U of L Cards
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 5:33:28 PM
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The Lucky Dog needs to go, if a driver gets lapped; make him earn it back. Racing back to the caution should be just that. When the leader and all the lead lap cars slowed to let the lapped cars get a lap back is when all the havoc started. The gentlemens agreement(BS), some sticking to and some not, my opinion there never should have been an agreement. Racin is racin and I want to see them race the whole thing. You don't see it in any other sport where they give a player or team more points, why should they in the big leagues of car racing.
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SmokinTS
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Biffle ANG
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 6:59:58 PM
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I believe it was in 1987, Bill Elliott came from two laps down without the benefit of a caution to win the Talladega 500. Now that was the Real World. Running flat out as fast as you can make your car go. When the control of the car was in the hands of the driver. When there was a France (Bill) in charge that cared about the sport not a France (Brian) that wanted to fill his pockets as much as he can before the whole thing falls apart and somebody (O. Bruton Smith)pulls Stockcar Racing from the ashes and fixes the wrongs done by the big guns in charge today.
NASCAR-Don't let all the Tradition die off-
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Fred & Barney
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:16:17 PM
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I don't see why they can't put two lights in the car that the driver can easily see, one yellow, the other red. Nascar controls the lights. When there's a minor incident but caution is needed, yellow light comes on--race back to flag--no lucky dog. If you have a big wreck like at Dover, or a hard hit in the wall, red light comes on--field's frozen, slow immediately---use lucky dog for this.
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D.D.D.D.C.
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:23:58 PM
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 I have to agree with the consenses. There's nothing better than whatching the ols nascar races of the 70's through the mid 80's. Back when the driver made the difference and before all these new supposed save your life rules. I say race back to the caution and throw away the resrictor plates. These guys want to race if they didn't they wouldn't be out there. None of this would be going on if Dale Sr. was still with us!!!3  |
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Paul&Val
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:29:51 PM
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I think Mr. September came from 3 laps down to win one in 1991. 4 in a row Darlington, Dover, Richmond, Martinsville. On his way to number 5 but,lost his brakes at North Wilkesboro. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Harry Gant.
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Paul&Val
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:45:17 PM
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| How many of you remember no pitroad speed? Rudd flew in an spun out and killed Elliott's rear tire changer? They kept showing it over and over. Not good. |
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Biffle ANG
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:47:15 PM
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I believe the only thing wrong there is that it went
Darlington, Richmond, Dover, & Martinsville.
Handsome Harry wound up second at N. Wilkesboro to Mr. Earnhardt. |
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Biffle ANG
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:50:10 PM
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Longtime Elliott fan here, remember it all too well. #9 Coors rocket!
Also remeber a pretty fast # 25 Folgers car, Big Bad Timmy |
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D.D.D.D.C.
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 7:52:39 PM
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| Great memory folks that does go back a ways. |
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